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Two corporate colleagues turned business

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What started with us putting the world to

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rights over a gin after work is now a weekly show, challenging

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Okay, so we couldn't stay away it seems, we are back for bonus

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drop number three, but this is a bit of a different one, really.

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We just wanted to pop in to say a bit of a thank you to people

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who've been supportive of us, not only in the development of

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this podcast but also in terms of our businesses and all the

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stuff that we've been doing over the last couple of years which I

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think when we go back to first sat in a bar with a gin you know

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putting the world to rights in our day jobs.

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The usual place you can find us, sat somewhere

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with a gin!

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But we didn't really, I don't think I'm either

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of us would ever of rolled forward five years and thought

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we'd be sat here on a podcast. You know putting the world to

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rights for everyone else to hear.

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Yeah publicly putting in the world to rights.

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So in this little bonus episode we really want to

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say thank you to a few people. But we also thought it might be

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a helpful idea really to share some resources and things that

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we found inspiring in our journeys. So we've got some

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podcasts recommendations and book recommendations and a bit

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of a people shout out. I need to warn you Carrie-Ann I feel like

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mine's a bit like the Oscars list you might have to fade up

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music at some point.

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Yeah, just like cut get her off. Get her off,

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need the big hook to just pull you away from the microphone if

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you start going on and on. As long as you don't cry. I think

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I'd be able to live with it.

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So that just feels like a challenge now just to do

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that. So to kick things off. Shall we start with? Well, we're

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a podcast so shall we start with podcasts? A bit weird if we said

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we didn't actually listen to any.

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Yes. Let's start with some podcasts that

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inspire us. Can I jump straight in?

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Yes, please do.

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So I absolutely love listening to, and I think I

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may have mentioned this person on other episodes when we were

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doing lives rather than a podcast. I absolutely love

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listening to Diary of a CEO with Steven Bartlett because I think

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he is a really brilliant example of somebody doing leadership his

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own way and being very authentic and challenging some of the

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stereotypes of leadership and I love that he has a whole array

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of different guests that he questions and he doesn't hold

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back with some of his lines of questioning, which I really

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enjoy about it. So that would definitely be one of my top

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podcast listens. If anybody hasn't listened and wants

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something new and a bit of a fresh, fresh thing to wrap their

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ears around.

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Yeah, I listened to him too. I can't say I always

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agree with him. I do find sometimes his views do come from

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maybe a male orientated place of privilege, but I do think he

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challenges things as well and he's not afraid to hold people

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to account that he has on his show which, which I like.

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Absolutely and I love not always agreeing with

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people and I hope that people will listen to us and sometimes

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think, no, I've got a totally different experience or a

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totally different view. So I like that you've said that

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because I think it's good to not always be listening to things

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that always align perfectly with all of your thinking because it

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challenges us a bit as well. So yeah, that would be my number

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one tip. Are you sharing one or do you want my second podcast

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hot tip podcast?

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If you go for your next one and then I can roll off

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my Oscars list.

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Okey dokey I'll just give you a chance to catch

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your breath and make sure you've got enough in you to reel off

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that list. You can't see this but it's written on a whole

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toilet roll. No that's obviously a really bad joke. My next

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podcast hot tip is going to be You're My Comms Hero. If you

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work in the communications profession in any industry, I

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would absolutely recommend this podcast as an opportunity to

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hear from all sorts of different communicators from different

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backgrounds, talking about various different things that

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matter to them. And I have to also give a little shout out and

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a thank you to You're My Comms Hero for running a mini series

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on my Two Minute Mentor session. So it was an absolute privilege

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to be part of the You're My Comms Hero podcast.

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I love that Two Minute Mentor series that is

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available to people if they do wish to want to go back and

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listen to it.

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Absolutely as we're talking I've got another

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one now but I feel like I'm turning into you now. The

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Behavioural Ccience Marketing Bootcamp podcast with Ruth Dale,

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I have to give a shout out to because she very kindly featured

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me on one of her most recent episodes and it's been brilliant

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listening to some of the other experts that Ruth interviews and

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talks with So yeah, that's it. I'm not sharing any more, three

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from me.

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Okay, well, so this is gonna sound like some

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weird fangirl moment, but actually my first podcast

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inspiration I'd say was you and someone called Jane from Quiet

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the Hive and she does Inside the Hive podcast. And when I first

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started my business you both very very kindly wrestled my arm

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behind my back and forced me to go onto your podcasts. I mean,

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it was...

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we forced you out of your comfort zone. And

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now here you are hosting one.

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Absolutely. I had no interest of doing podcasts in

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any way. And literally, I think it was the same month that I'd

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launched the business and yeah, it was. I really enjoyed

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listening to both of your podcasts. And I thought it was

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amazing that you were so confident to have your own show

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and interview lots of people and whatnot. But I could never

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picture myself doing it. So I do think you were a bit of an

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inspiration. If that's allowed.

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I'll take that. Yeah, thanks. I'll take I'll

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take one I'll take one for Jane as well. Thank you.

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The other podcast that I really enjoy is I don't

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know if you've heard of Rachel Botsman. She's got one called

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Trust Issues and she does a lot around rethinking and

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reimagining what trust is and she interviews some really

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interesting people and just yeah, she's she's made me think

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a lot about broader leadership issues, kind of way of working.

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So I highly recommend her I think she's got two different

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podcasts out but Trust Issues is one that I enjoy. And I also

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recommend to a lot of my clients the How To Own The Room podcast.

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I love the book as well and I'm sure I'll be recommending that a

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bit later. But I like the fact that it's about stepping into

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your own space which we talk about a lot how to make sure

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that you're embracing your own version of confident, all of

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that kind of stuff and she interviews a range of people

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talking about their careers, talking about you know, how

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they've embraced their own confidence issues and stuff like

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that. And so I really recommend them.

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Excellent. I'm loving your top tips and I've

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got a new one there for me to listen to around trust issue.

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Books. So I mean, I've already mentioned How To

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Own The Room. I buy that for most of my clients is a book for

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them to read because a lot of people come to me wanting to be

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more confident in how they connect and communicate with

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people and I think this is a really good book with with

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advice and tips. I don't know if it's one that you own.

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I don't I don't but I feel like I should, I'm

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writing it down now to get on and buy.

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I'm not gonna go because you've heard enough of

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my voice but do you want to share a couple of your books and

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then I will round it off?

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Yes, so me I've got a few books that I would

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like to recommend that I have really enjoyed reading, that

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I've reread and like you I've recommended to other people. So

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one of them is The Squiggly Career by Helen Tupper and Sarah

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Ellis. And they are just it's a brilliant book full of, again,

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tips and advice, but it really is focused on rethinking how you

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think about your own career journey. And the fact that

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actually careers now are not these kind of linear, you know,

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just one directional kind of careers and that actually your

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route to leadership and a fulfilling and happy career can

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be very different to perhaps the traditional views and I love

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this one because it's got exercises throughout the

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workbook, which challenges you to really think and reflect and

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do a bit of work along the way which I think is really helpful.

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They've got a podcast as well haven't they?

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They also have a podcast you are correct. So

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yeah, we're yes but synergies going on here with the podcasts

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and the book. So that would be my first recommendation. My next

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recommendation actually two recommendations that are

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slightly similar. I Am My Brand by Kubi Springer is a brilliant

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book that is I think touches on a lot of what we talk about

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through How To Take The Lead around personal brand as leader

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and that you know we do all have a brand and how do we really

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refine that, think about it, get comfortable with it. I think

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that's something that she really helps to touch on and she has a

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huge amount of experience working with big brands. And she

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really pulls that down into you as a person and you as a small

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business owner as well. So any small business owners out there,

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another brilliant book again, there's a theme here with the

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books that I like it's got exercises throughout to really

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start to help you challenge your thinking. And along a similar

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vein, around kind of brand, being more comfy and putting

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yourself out there is Hype Yourself by Lucy Werner.

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Yes. I love that book.

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Another one of exercises in so you can see what

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makes me tick I need to read a bit and then do a bit and then

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read a bit more.

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You like the pictures.

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Picture books, that's the clue but another

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great book that helps you really focus on on your small business

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brand but I think actually applicable to you as an

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individual and a leader to go through these exercises. And my

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list has now turned into the Oscars thank you speech because

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I'm just going to throw one more in I really love which is Kiki

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Ks. Your Dream Life Starts Here. And again, more exercises in

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this book, but it's a goodie because I think it takes it

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gives you the opportunity to reflect more holistically so not

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just on your working life and career but actually what brings

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you joy in life more generally. And I have been working my way

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through my own 101 Dreams list. I haven't got 101 dreams on it

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yet, but I have crossed a few of those. Obviously some have been

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massive big dreams or some have just been little things that

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made me happy. So again, that's one that I have shared with

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people that I've worked with. So I'm going to stop now as I'm

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tired of my voice Lee.

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You bought me that book when I when I left my

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corporate job and before this Sunday Skies was even an idea

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you bought me that job that book to figure out my life.

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I did so I hope I hope it helps a tiny bit

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somewhere along the way. It's not just collecting dust on your

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bookshelf Lee.

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I've worked my way through the exercises.

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Excellent. I love it. So so you've got a gist

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for what I like in terms of reading material now. So how

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about you Lee?

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Well, actually all my books, interestingly are by

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female authors. I don't know what that says anything Brene

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obviously has to be read, recommended. I particularly

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liked Dare to Lead or do you think that just makes you think

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again about vulnerability and leadership and having that

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courage and how you demonstrate that and it certainly got me

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thinking and I've recommended that to quite a few people. The

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other one that I buy for my clients is The Confidence Code

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by Katty Kay and Claire Shipman. Which I just love this book

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because it reimagines or redefines rather what confidence

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is. And that you don't need to be that shouty leader that you

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can have quiet confidence. And I know we've spoken before about

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the kind of notion of confidence and actually it can be just

Lee Griffith: 00:13:07

because I'm quiet doesn't mean that I'm unconfident, for

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example. And that's always been something that people assume of

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someone if they're a quiet person, and this book just blows

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that theory to pieces, really, so I absolutely love it. And

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linked to that my final book, which I finished last week was

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Quiet by Susan Cain. And this is all about the superpowers of the

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introverted and it really got me thinking about when I think it

Lee Griffith: 00:13:37

this was written before the pandemic this book, but there's

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so much in there about learning around the nature of the

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workplace in a post pandemic world. So you know, with hybrid

Lee Griffith: 00:13:49

working with more open plan spaces, often people think oh,

Lee Griffith: 00:13:53

you need to collaborate and do groupthink to get innovation and

Lee Griffith: 00:13:58

stuff. If you're an introvert and anywhere between a third and

Lee Griffith: 00:14:01

a half of your workforce are going to be introverts. They

Lee Griffith: 00:14:05

don't thrive in those types of environments and so we're

Lee Griffith: 00:14:08

actually doing a whole load of our staff a real disservice. And

Lee Griffith: 00:14:12

if you're an extroverted leader, you perhaps aren't listening to

Lee Griffith: 00:14:15

people who I don't know if there's a challenging time they

Lee Griffith: 00:14:18

might be more risk averse, but actually then it's proven that

Lee Griffith: 00:14:23

they should be listened to in settings where things are risky

Lee Griffith: 00:14:27

like the banking crisis anyway, I I'm basically explaining the

Lee Griffith: 00:14:30

whole book to you because I loved it so much.

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Like I say, we need another spoiler alert, I'm

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sure we've already had an episode with a spoiler alert TV

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programme. So now we've got like, don't need to read but

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just listen to the summary. But it sounds brilliant. And as a as

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:14:44

an extroverted leader, probably one I need to put on my reading

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:14:47

list Lee.

Lee Griffith: 00:14:48

Yes, I've I've actually been posting about it

Lee Griffith: 00:14:51

on my social media saying people should read it regardless of

Lee Griffith: 00:14:55

whether you're introverted, extroverted or anywhere in

Lee Griffith: 00:14:58

between.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:14:58

excellent so that's a great big list of book

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recommendations. So hopefully people's bookshelves are going

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:15:03

to be heaving by the time they finish listening to this bonus

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episode, but I know one of the things we were really keen to do

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Lee, and you mentioned it earlier was just to share a few

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thank yous and shout outs to people who have inspired us,

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supported us, encouraged us along the way. So do you want to

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:15:23

kick us off with some of your thank yous?

Lee Griffith: 00:15:25

Yes, well, this sounds really really cheesy.

Lee Griffith: 00:15:29

Actually. I won't tell him that I've name checked him and then

Lee Griffith: 00:15:32

I'll figure out if he actually does listen to it. But I want to

Lee Griffith: 00:15:37

thank my husband, because I suppose I wouldn't have really

Lee Griffith: 00:15:41

had the courage to step away from my corporate job if he just

Lee Griffith: 00:15:46

didn't say, look, take the time, figure out it but he basically

Lee Griffith: 00:15:50

told me to sit on the sofa and watch Netflix for months until I

Lee Griffith: 00:15:52

got bored and then I'd figure out what it was I wanted to do.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:15:55

How do I get a husband like this? That's my

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:15:58

question. Let's hope somebody that's very close to me is

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:16:01

listening to this podcast.

Lee Griffith: 00:16:04

And I don't think until he put it like that. I

Lee Griffith: 00:16:08

don't think it would ever crossed my mind that I could

Lee Griffith: 00:16:10

just step away from what I was doing in my corporate career and

Lee Griffith: 00:16:13

I absolutely did need that break and that step away to realise

Lee Griffith: 00:16:17

what it is that I wanted to do and the business came out of

Lee Griffith: 00:16:20

that and he's been super supportive in lots of ways since

Lee Griffith: 00:16:23

the business started up and he puts up with me with taking my

Lee Griffith: 00:16:28

pictures and that kind of stuff that comes with it, is he an

Lee Griffith: 00:16:32

influencer hubby? I don't know.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:16:34

Oh, my goodness, he is so well trained,

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:16:36

please, can he give my fiance some tips because I never get

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:16:39

the photos taken. And if I do they're always really bad ones.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:16:44

Well, let's say there's a there's a lot of direction

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needed.

Lee Griffith: 00:16:49

But yeah, so my my first thank you would have to be

Lee Griffith: 00:16:52

to him. And yeah, as I say, we'll see if he's listening to

Lee Griffith: 00:16:55

this or not because he usually has some sarcastic comment or

Lee Griffith: 00:16:58

something to make.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:01

Excellent. I'm loving that thank you.

Lee Griffith: 00:17:05

Do you want to thank someone because I could go

Lee Griffith: 00:17:07

on forever with names.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:09

I'm going to thank somebody and the person

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:12

I'm going to thank and there's no particular order to my thank

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yous. The person I'm going to thnk is Mikaela Jackson from She

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:18

Almighty because she is my coach. So I thought I should

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:23

definitely give a shout out and thank you to my coach. I'm

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:26

taking my own leadership advice that I give out to people

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:30

through How To Take The Lead about the importance of having a

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:32

coach and Mikaela has just been brilliant and a huge part of my

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:36

journey, both in my daily work life and in my Cat's Pajamas

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:40

life. And we've been working together since 2019. And just

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:44

yeah, massive thank you to her and she's also opened up a

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brilliant network of other women in all different sorts of

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industries and from all different backgrounds that I now

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:54

have access to through She Almighty So yeah, that's my

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:17:58

first thank you.

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Well, my coach is on my list is well Carol, who

Lee Griffith: 00:18:03

was my coach when I was in my corporate career and she's

Lee Griffith: 00:18:07

become a friend over time, but absolutely it's been continuing

Lee Griffith: 00:18:11

to mentor and coach me as I set up my own coaching business. So

Lee Griffith: 00:18:16

yeah, it's she's she's been a real insight and cheerleader, I

Lee Griffith: 00:18:21

think, to all things that I've done, so I definitely wouldn't

Lee Griffith: 00:18:25

be where I was if it wasn't without her support over many,

Lee Griffith: 00:18:28

many years. And similarly, one of my past colleagues, Carolyn,

Lee Griffith: 00:18:32

who I used to work with in a hospital again quite a few years

Lee Griffith: 00:18:36

ago now, but we've stayed very close friends and she's just

Lee Griffith: 00:18:41

been a champion. She's listened into all our previous Take the

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Leads when we did when we were on our lives. She's always

Lee Griffith: 00:18:48

sending encouragement and nice words of support and giving me

Lee Griffith: 00:18:52

her kind of thoughts and insights on the topics as well.

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So I always value advice and guidance.

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Ah I love that and I'm feeling like this is

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:19:04

getting a bit emotional. I've got to go in and say a massive

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:19:09

thank you to Jane Galloway from Quiet the Hive, who you have

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already mentioned, and Lorna Reeves from MyOhMy Events,

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because as you will know and this is part of that I

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:19:19

absolutely love the opportunity to collaborate and do hopefully

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:19:23

brilliant and great and creative things with people and as well

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as being really good friends Jane and Lorna are also

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co-collaborators in another project that I'm involved in and

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:19:32

they are constantly being amazing cheerleaders. They are

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:19:35

never frightened to offer me constructive criticism or

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:19:38

challenge me when they need it. They have been a huge part of

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the Cat's Pajamas journey so just a thank you to both of

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those amazing women.

Lee Griffith: 00:19:48

Lovely, so I'm going to wrap up things on my

Lee Griffith: 00:19:51

end anyway quite quickly with just a few more names at once.

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Sarah Dalrymple and Liz Ellery, they both have become business

Lee Griffith: 00:20:01

buddies since I've launched my business. Liz did all my

Lee Griffith: 00:20:05

branding my website and everything did my photos when I

Lee Griffith: 00:20:08

first started the business and we stayed in touch and we often

Lee Griffith: 00:20:12

run ideas past each other and it's been great to have someone

Lee Griffith: 00:20:15

who's a few steps ahead of me in business. I can just pick up the

Lee Griffith: 00:20:18

phone to or drop a line to and she'll give me advice and steer

Lee Griffith: 00:20:21

me steer me in the direction. And Sarah I've been on a couple

Lee Griffith: 00:20:25

of her courses and she's been a bit of a coach to me in the last

Lee Griffith: 00:20:28

year in terms of really redefining what my offer is and

Lee Griffith: 00:20:32

the services and how I sell with confidence because that was

Lee Griffith: 00:20:37

something that felt a bit icky to me and she she definitely

Lee Griffith: 00:20:40

kind of broke me away from that. So I'm super grateful to the to

Lee Griffith: 00:20:44

them. She's also become a friend that we can bounce ideas and

Lee Griffith: 00:20:47

stuff off with and have co working days and all of that

Lee Griffith: 00:20:50

kind of stuff. And then finally, I'm in a couple of different

Lee Griffith: 00:20:54

masterminds stroke kind of incubator groups. So I've got

Lee Griffith: 00:20:57

the Youpreneur incubator group and colleagues in that

Lee Griffith: 00:21:01

particularly, I want to say thank you to Becca and Bob, both

Lee Griffith: 00:21:05

of whom have given me advice and guidance on this setting up of

Lee Griffith: 00:21:09

this podcast. They've both got their own podcasts and they've

Lee Griffith: 00:21:13

been really, really helpful with the kind of techy stuff and

Lee Griffith: 00:21:16

steering me with how to edit things and what tech I should

Lee Griffith: 00:21:20

use all of that kind of stuff. So really appreciate them. And

Lee Griffith: 00:21:23

Helen Reynolds Comms Business Club as well. They've been

Lee Griffith: 00:21:27

really helpful just to sense check stuff as we've been

Lee Griffith: 00:21:30

setting up this podcast. So wanted to give a big shout out

Lee Griffith: 00:21:33

to them as well.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:21:34

Brilliant, massive shout outs there and as

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:21:37

you're talking I'm like, oh god, yeah, how can I forget this

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:21:40

person and more people I need to thank. I've got to thank Vicky,

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:21:44

my friend Vicky who when we started out well, when I started

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:21:48

out with Cat's Pajamas and I had to go on Instagram stories and

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:21:51

just talk to myself which was really uncomfortable even as an

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:21:55

extrovert. And then when we started doing our lives was

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:21:59

basically like my chief audience tester who would come back to me

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:03

and say, yeah, that was really good. But if you could blink a

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:06

bit more, it might look less intense. Or if you could maybe

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:10

just when you're walking you're more you're more natural than

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:13

when you're just sat there looking at the phone so so she's

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:16

definitely been a good person to give yeah, unfiltered as we like

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:21

it unfiltered advice and feedback. I'd also like to shout

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:25

out Samantha Murfitt from Brighter Splash who is

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:28

absolutely one of my most brilliant friends but also, she

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:33

supported my rebrand of Cat's Pajamas and development of my

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:37

new website with her team, which has been just brilliant. And I

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:41

also feel like I should give a little shout out to Daniel

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:43

Reynolds who's comms director at NHS Confed at the moment for

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being informal. At the moment. I didn't mean that as in like he

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:50

won't be soon. I just mean when I met him, he was a comms

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:55

director somewhere else. That's what I meant. Yeah, I'm not

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:22:59

breaking news. He's not getting the sack. I hope he's not.

Lee Griffith: 00:23:03

Well, I wasn't even going there. I thought he

Lee Griffith: 00:23:04

might have had a new job but you're just digging a hole now.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:07

I am, I guess, can somebody take this massive

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:10

spade off me. Anyway, on a more positive note. The reason I

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:14

wanted to give Daniel a shout out is because he's often given

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:17

me career advice, comms advice in the various different guises

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:22

that I've been able to work with Daniel and he's also been a

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:25

massive supporter of Cat's Pajamas as well as communication

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:28

as a profession. In the NHS, which is obviously where my day

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:32

job sits. So yeah, the list is almost endless, isn't it?

Lee Griffith: 00:23:35

It is yes. I thought you had more on your

Lee Griffith: 00:23:37

list.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:38

I did have more on my list. Can I keep going

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:41

keep going keep going? Okay, the more on my list definitely

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:45

has to be a shout out for Asif Choudary. I've already mentioned

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:49

Comms Hero and Asif is a huge supporter of the profession.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:53

He's been a huge supporter of us. He's absolutely kind enough

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:23:57

to let a feature on Comms Hero Week last year. We're doing it

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:01

again this year. So we're gluttons for punishment. Or

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:04

maybe Asif is a glutton for punishment who knows? He's

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:08

definitely been a massive supporter of How To Take The

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:10

Lead which we're very very grateful for. I've got two more

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:13

thank yous and then that'll be it. My penultimate thank you

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:16

goes to my partner who also has a huge amount of sarcasm that

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:22

comes with his support. But definitely has been somebody who

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:26

has encouraged me and just enabled me to just go for it and

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:32

told me to stop being silly when I've had my big wobble moments.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:35

And he's definitely been a huge supporter, and has had to stay

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:39

quiet when we've been doing lives and all sorts of other

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:42

things and just rolls with it basically. And I'm very grateful

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:46

for that. And then my final thank you, cringy, as it is, is

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:48

gonna be to you Lee. I'm just gonna throw it out there. Thank

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:53

you for putting up with me, particularly when I'm I'm making

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:24:57

all the gaffs this series. Normally it's you. We've moved

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:00

to podcasts and I'm the one getting it all wrong.

Lee Griffith: 00:25:03

There's time, there's time.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:04

There's still time there's plenty of episodes

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:06

left but a huge thank you to you for yeah, just going with it

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:10

when we had this really out there idea that we were going to

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:13

just start talking publicly about some of the things we

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:16

usually only talk about over gin, and it's been brilliant.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:19

And I know we've got great things planned for How To Take

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:22

The Lead. And I'm really pleased that all that time ago when we

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:25

met and we were trying to work out a way that we could work

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:27

together. We've finally managed to to make that happen. So huge

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:31

thank you and for all your work on the podcast.

Lee Griffith: 00:25:34

Oh well thank you to you too. I couldn't think of

Lee Griffith: 00:25:37

a better person to help me step out of my comfort zone than you

Lee Griffith: 00:25:41

so.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:44

I know love hearts. That's probably enough

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:46

as it is probably a bit sick inducing for everybody else

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:48

who's listening.

Lee Griffith: 00:25:49

Well, that is the end of the episode is it's much

Lee Griffith: 00:25:52

much much longer than we were anticipating that there's going

Lee Griffith: 00:25:57

to be no maybe six minutes.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:25:59

Ten maximum, we've we've cracked out a whole

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:26:02

entire episode here like 30 minutes.

Lee Griffith: 00:26:04

But hopefully you've got some really useful

Lee Griffith: 00:26:08

resources there and things to listen to and to read. We'd love

Lee Griffith: 00:26:12

to hear your recommendations of podcasts, books, films, TV, any

Lee Griffith: 00:26:17

murder detective shows, you know.

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:26:20

I wondered where you were going with that

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:26:21

then, any murders you'd like to tell us about please feel free

Carrie-Ann Wade: 00:26:25

to just know DM one of us.

Lee Griffith: 00:26:28

I love a bit of true crime. Anyway, we will be

Lee Griffith: 00:26:33

back on Thursday with a new episode. Until then

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get out there and take the lead!

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